Was My Play That Bad on This Hand???

[egthareal]

***** Hand History for Game 1740471191 *****

$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 15, 16:57:30 EDT 2005

Table Table 36543 (Real Money)

Seat 6 is the button

Total number of players : 10

Seat 5: egthegreat ( $195.55 )

Seat 7: Hot_sauce_ ( $239.64 )

Seat 9: Borat_In_USA ( $288.1 )

Seat 10: jdu00743 ( $67.55 )

Seat 6: Quittr ( $157 )

Seat 1: BIGMAMA_ ( $137.8 )

Seat 8: dmbfan2335 ( $93.6 )

Seat 4: redwing20000 ( $158.75 )

Seat 2: SinghINC ( $207.3 )

Seat 3: Swat_Brat ( $112.85 )

Hot_sauce_ posts small blind [$1].

dmbfan2335 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to egthegreat [ Ac 7c ]

Borat_In_USA calls [$2].

SinghINC folds.

Swat_Brat folds.

redwing20000 raises [$9].

egthegreat calls [$9].

Quittr folds.

Hot_sauce_ folds.

dmbfan2335 folds.

Borat_In_USA calls [$7].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 3d, 8c ]

Borat_In_USA checks.

redwing20000 bets [$15].

egthegreat calls [$15].

Borat_In_USA folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]

redwing20000 bets [$20].

egthegreat calls [$20].

** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]

redwing20000 checks.

egthegreat bets [$50].

redwing20000 calls [$50].

egthegreat shows [ Ac, 7c ] high card ace.


>> Was my bluff at the end of this hand - too strong, not strong enough or just plain evident I was chasing and didn't catch? I thought for sure he would assume I caught my king and was hoping $50 was a sizeable bet. But he didn't even ponder calling?

--EG

[FrankBoard]

its really hard for me to read these logs of the hands played...
i guess im still not quite yet used to the online games :)

[KatieG]

Hmm, I'm guessing he had a low pair from your commentary, something he hit on the flop? Still, I might have put him on trips from his betting, and you sure weren't betting like you had pocket kings preflop. I'd have put the hand down earlier, but then again I am not a very aggresive player (I'm working on that!) and I rarely bluff. I'm not sure what the hell he was doing checking and only calling though, he should have either bet or check-raised. Maybe the size of your bet caused him to do so. Anyways, my rather inexpert opinion, as I have yet to play an online game...

[windbreaker]

I don't really play the higher NL tables often, but the call preflop seems questionable to me. The guy raised it 4.5 times the BB....A7 suited is really poor hand to be calling with. The only thing you can really hope for is to hit your flush....your chances of the flush to come out isn't very strong.

Having said that, you do have position and a strong drawing hand after the flop. From the way he's betting, it appears he had an over pair. The best play after the flop would have been to raise. I always rather be the one controlling the hand than be the one calling you down.

Once, the turn was a blank, you can check-check...and then on the river see what he does. If he checks into you, you have a shot at buying the pot. But if he bets, I would say get away from the hand and muck it.

[kansaspoker]

I agree. Ace rag suited is not a hand you want to call a raise with. You will behind to an Ace High card or a pocket pair. Chances of flopping a flush are something like 1/27 so you are more then likely going to be chasing.

[egthareal]

Okay, comeon guys - chasing a flush is NOT that uncommon in NL ; yes, its not common strategy. My chances were almost a coin flip. But, sometimes its late in the night and you just feel like a coin flip. For this situation I fully understood my odds and EXPECTED what the competition had. I also EXPECTED my bet to eliminate the competions less superior hand to what I was betting on.

NOW, everytime you overbet NL you can always expect a caller. Why NOT? I mean, with what they are trained and used to; why the F not?

It happened. I got caught chasing. But, how many times have you profited off chasing?

Honestly? Big risk equals Big return that simple.

--EG

[card4]

I don't think this was a horrible play. You took a stab at the pot and got caught bluffing. I doubt I would have called the preflop raise with this hand just because even though I have position, I'm playing a hand that needs multiway action and the raise is probably going to get it heads up. However, once you call and flop a four flush, I'm chasing if I can do so cheaply. The problem is, the hand was heads up so the pot odds were no where close enough for a call, especially on the turn.

$50 on the river is more agressive than I would have been but not a bad bet. If I'm doing the math right, it was half the pot. Given the fact that you had been smooth calling the whole way, it does put some doubt in my mind about whether or not you had a busted flush draw or a big hand. I certainly wouldn't have expected you to call the preflop raise w/ Ax suited. However, you may have w/ AKs or AQ.

Given the board and the betting, I think I would have put you on a flush draw. Its easier to say now of course with more time to think it out then in the heat of the moment playing a few tables at once. My reasoning is that with three players on the flop and a two suited cards, you probably would have raised on the flop to make it expensive for flush draws if you had a made hand. I like redwings check on the river here. It gives him a chance to induce a bluff. What did he have anyway, QQ? I would have had to think it over for a sec but in the end I think I would have called you too in that situation. At that point, the hand I'm really concerned with is AKs but it is much more likely that I have you beat than for you to have that hand.

[Breitenfeld]

After studying the book "Killer Poker" by John Vorhaus, repeatedly warning of those cards like A - 7s, I observed that with those cards very often you move yourself into troubles you could have avoided by folding in the first place.
Being in the pot after flopping the four-flush required clearly a continuation.
By the way, I assume that you lost, but I did not read against what card?

[dad604]

When the flush didn't come, I would have folded. It was only correct to keep calling the draw if you figure you could get your oppent to call for a big bet if you caught the flush. If he would fold to a big bet then it is not worth odds to call 20.

[SeiferFF8]

Sorry, but I agree with kansaspoker. It's not worth calling Ace rag suited to a raise in the first place. Even if you flop a flush draw (in your case), you're paying big bucks at calling bad pot odds and being way behind, only 9 outs.

As for the bluff at the end, I believe it was unecessary since he kept betting the pot extremely well and probably knew you were chasing the flush.

[mikester47]

First, what did the guy have? Second calling a raise up to 9 dollars with Ace 7 is foolish, just because it is suited does not mean it is worth that big of a raise. Second I don't think you had very good pot odds for chasing your nut flush. Calling 15 dollars to win about 30 is not that great of odds for only 9 outs.

[Benjammin15]

Extremely bad pot odds, I think you shoulda gotten out of there a lot sooner

[adampad]

I think most people here have pointed out the main problems with this hand. Bad pot odds, you shouldn't have called the raise (but that is agruable from a late position early in the tourny). He must have easily put you on either a small pair/overpair/ or flush draw. Two of the three may have all been good enough to beat him but my guess is if you did hit your flush and you made the same bet he would have called as well. More than $50 and he wouldn't have called. Not a very good risk vs. reward hand in my opinion. Bad bet at the end.....

[egthareal]

Ya, I made some bad choices on this hand.

You live and you learn!

[donvic]

eg,

i guess i would not call a 4 1/2 BB BET WITH

suited a 7.

yea the last bet was big enough if you really

thought he´d fold.

best,

donvic

[1rainbow]

all i can say is i would of played it the same