View Full Version : Beating The Rake

02-20-2005, 11:12 PM
To be realistic, the house already has an edge on you. The rake is built in so that the house takes money from you in small, unnoticed amounts. There are a few guidelines you can go by to minimize this... Some poker rooms will only rake the pot once it has reached a certain amount, so you want to play opposite the style of the table in these cases...

You can exploit tight players through tactics such as blind stealing and through buying free cards. Blind stealing is simply betting when only blinds are left in the game pre-flop. You can raise from the small blind position or from the position just before the small blind (usually the dealer's position) to try and steal the cost of the two blinds. Buying a free card is a trick best used in last position. If no one else has raised post-flop, then you bet. This will most likely cut down on the number of players (and potential money in the pot), but everyone who stays will tend to check to you. Then on the turn, after everyone has checked you don't necessarily have to bet again. That is why it's called a free card. It's best used with drawing hands, too.

When playing against aggressive players, you tighten up. Be mindful of your position. Play only premium starting hands and fold after the flop if you didn't come up with much. The reason for this is the same reason for playing tight at all. You will get raked when you win, but if you win just one extra big hand for playing like this, you'll have covered the cost of the rake. Savor that one when your single high pair beats the same pair because your kickers are always better.

If the rake is a set percentage (usually 4% to 10%), the tactics for an aggressive player won't be as successful. Every failed attempt at blind-stealing is going to be raked, and all bluffing is now 4%-10% less worth it. You have to be a better player to overcome that percentage, and once you get to that point, you shouldn't be too preoccupied with the rake. If you are a beginner, play tighter than usual.

02-21-2005, 05:09 AM
Very nice post! Rep Points for you. I think everyone has something to learn or reflect on from this one.

02-22-2005, 08:14 AM
Tried some of your "methology" today in my daily online game. Came up with pretty decent results ; especially when playing against agressive players. I played extremely tight and simply by reading this post today I played only my premium starting hands. Overall I'd say it was a success. Thanks

Four2Eight Feet
02-22-2005, 09:42 PM
I think playing the way Gerbuex describes along with a strong rake back deal will get you as close to "even" with the rake as you are going to get.

02-22-2005, 10:55 PM
Haha! A strong rakeback deal and this strategy is exactly as you described as close you can get to a free game. Unless of course your playing at home. One premium example of this is the news on Tips4Poker main page today where the Commerce offers a free home game on them at their place. Hence, they want your mofo rake! But, I oppose this keep your home games at home and beat the rake.

02-28-2005, 03:40 AM
if you don't have a rake back, the site is owning you. of course that's how they make money and they make millions.

03-04-2005, 06:22 PM
I don't even want to consider what some of these online poker rooms are taking in a day with some of these rakes.
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03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
How many of you have some sort of rake back deal?

03-10-2005, 10:10 PM
According to Phil Hellmuth's DVDs, he states that no one can beat the rake at a live casino if they do not play $10/$20 or higher. He says the rake is just simply too high to beat.

03-10-2005, 10:17 PM
Also, when you post someone's article from a website as yours, you should give them credit.

You could get this site in trouble if you dont.